Trigger Warning: If you don't like feminists or leftists, avert your eyes. This could be upsetting.
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I ran a little contest for the title on Twitter, while there were so many great suggestions
Well, an anagram of Jordan B Peterson is desert banjo porn— Martin (@NataliasDad) July 28, 2017
Kermit the Monologue— Liam van der Spek (@SpekOfTheDevil) July 28, 2017
Misunderstanding Bill C-16 for $55,000 a month— JD-800 (@thejd800) July 28, 2017
"Old Man Yells at Cloud: the Jordan Peterson Story"— brane bzkl (@Buzzkill_AOC) July 28, 2017
I went for the wayyy too long alliteration angle, since I felt it captured the essence of his nonsense best..
He's so verbose I can't narrow down 11 paragraphs about NESTING into a title— Paul City (@RealPaulCity) July 28, 2017
Shout out to @somestingray for inspiring that!
professor peterson’s postmodern paranoia— Ray (@SomeStingray) July 28, 2017
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Ah...Jordan B. Peterson - I remember a time when I had no idea who that was, and my life was better for it.
Who is this guy? Well...For those unfamiliar he is a ‘controversial’ conservative university professor, in my own progressive city *sigh*....at University of Toronto.
He's your average conservative Christian, with an added dose of hardcore gobbledygook with the audacity to criticize postmodernists for the same. Step aside Deepak Chopra! There's a new snake oil salesman in town. And this time he's smuggling in extreme conservatism AND atheists love him. Apparently one of the *most requested* guests of all time on Sam Harris' podcast! Their conversations were adversarial to be clear, but still Peterson was in great demand by Sam's audience. So much so, that there were two episodes featuring him.
Should @jordanbpeterson and I do a second podcast in which we attempt to discuss religion, atheism, ethics and other topics?— Sam Harris (@SamHarrisOrg) January 23, 2017
Why is 2017 like this. Nothing makes sense anymore.
jordan b peterson: a looney twist on the old school Christian conservative— peppermint (@strengthgentle) July 28, 2017
Gosh, remember when the atheist scene used to ridicule charlatans like Deepak instead of embrace them as some of our favourite intellectuals simply because they ‘trigger’ libtards, and dump on trans people, ‘the left’ and feminism - all the favourite bogeymen of the internet atheist movement! ...resulting in this strange alliance with a man who literally brought himself to tears while reading his own essay which mentioned ‘a loss of faith’.
Goddammit, make atheism great again.
It really amazes me that he criticizes flowery 'postmodernist' language for much of the same type of nonsense that comes out of his own mouth. He rose to fame last year when he had an unbelievable temper tantrum about Ontario’s Bill C-16 somehow taking away his freedoms by protecting trans people from discrimination. He’s been shown to be misrepresenting the law, but his popularity only grows in this climate where facts hold little value, and anything of substance is dubbed 'fake news'.
Peterson has no qualms associating with people on the far far right...he even appeared on a nazi's podcast. A woman who has literally advocated violence against people of colour refusing to leave the hypothetical ethnostate.
Host of that show is another extreme race & IQ obsessive wanting to deport non-whites. pic.twitter.com/QF00K9Tr3d— Nikolashvili (@ViniKako) March 12, 2017
(Clip Via @Vinikako)
He may very well not be aware of all her views, but googling someone or looking at their social media is the least you can do before appearing on their show and lending them your legitimacy as a professor. If you are this blinded by your hatred of The Left that you're going on Nazi shows to talk about 'Western Civilization'...you probably should not be teaching kids.
As a critic of leftist mumbo-jumbo, its funny he describes the average university class as a postmodern neo-marxist indoctrination cult (h/t @somestingray). He wants to start his own online university scarily enough...He plans to 'cut off the supply to people running the indoctrination cults', i.e., universities. And don't you worry... he's working on a way to differentiate between 'post modern course content' and 'classical course content'.
In a time where mainstream media institutions are being discredited by right wing nutjobs, so too are educational institutions. Now, hold on to your kekistani undies, I’m not saying there aren’t ever crazy instances on campus, I’m not saying never criticize universities or The Left. There’s plenty to criticize... but there’s no proportionality….this response, as in...idolizing Jordan Peterson the guy who’s somehow repackaged old school conservatism as something new and hip…as an antidote to 'the left gone wild, drunk on the power of premarital sex, immorality, independent career women and loss of faith'…I mean come on...I've heard this shit before...
I grew up in Saudi Arabia.
Just check this rulebook for men he wrote a few yrs ago. (h/t @21logician)
It’s full on insanity.
And spare me the obvious - 'these are metaphors'… yes I know he’s not calling for literal child sacrifice.
Still crazy.
Build the crystal palace. O-kay then.
Look I consulted with my ancestral spirits…and they warned me not to watch Jordan Peterson content…but silly lady-brain of mine.. didn’t listen. So here we are.
Now I’m trying to compile as much of JBP’s bs into one blogpost as I can tolerate sifting through in one sitting. For someone sooooo upset about his free speech allegedly being taken away over bill c-16, he certainly doesn’t extend that courtesy to other groups.
Here he is in 2011 discussing how atheists aren’t an oppressed or excluded group in the west, perhaps even dominant, and how he’s not a fan of atheist advertising. An Ad on a bus pissed him off ffs, meanwhile calling people what they want to be called is a violation of his rights. Full video of his ad chat here
Jordan Peterson on pro-atheism billboards. This would be a good topic for discussion @SamHarrisOrg pic.twitter.com/JQdhfvgyo8— Tom Bloke (@21logician) December 28, 2016
(Video clips via @21logician)
Why maybe Dawkins *should* be oppressed he said. Jeez Jordan, why so angry?
— Tom Bloke (@21logician) December 28, 2016
"If you don’t have any faith in an ultimate authority that says life is sacred, what’s to stop you from mobilizing everything you can to kill as many people as you can…." That's real original Jordan.
Jordan Peterson talking about Stalin's lack of religion. This is as feisty as Canadian TV gets I think pic.twitter.com/gzzpDcfXVj— Tom Bloke (@21logician) December 27, 2016
Here’s some more laughable god stuff:
Proof itself, of any sort, is impossible, without an axiom (as Godel proved). Thus faith in God is a prerequisite for all proof.— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) November 26, 2013
To think of how popular he is among atheists cracks me up (and makes me sad). This anti-left stuff in the era of the rise of the right...sure makes for some strange bedfellows.
In his two hour conversation with Sam Harris he couldn’t really define 'truth'. He is basically the religious conservative version of what he criticizes re:postmodernism. Dislikes the pronoun Xir because apparently thats just leftist nonsense….but can’t decide on what truth means.
Just a quick glance at his Twitter timeline will show that he posts bs memes of his own gibberish quotes..and people love it!
He also posts about Pepe, Kekistan, and jokes (without self-awareness) about being a hero of 'the deplorables'...
He also posts about Pepe, Kekistan, and jokes (without self-awareness) about being a hero of 'the deplorables'...
But I'm a hero of the deplorables; those beyond redemption: Kekistanis, Pepe memers, alt-right Nazis: all the boogeymen of the radical left. https://t.co/E4DfP2lq2A— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) June 6, 2017
Pepe: SJW/Hitler/Jew/Trump/Clinton: who is this symbol satirizing? THE VIEWER. pic.twitter.com/Fv9L45lpaE— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) June 3, 2017
I honestly can’t understand…has the human population become this dumbed down? Is this reflective of a failure of our education systems?…that people hear a string of multi-syllabic words and are immediately wowed/lulled into some sort of illusion that they are smarter than they thought? His fans also have a habit of saying “but you haven’t heard ALL his lectures… if you had, what he was saying would make sense” - come on. Surely something of his has to be able to stand on it’s own.
I mean what the fuck does this mean?
one last meme before bed pic.twitter.com/KQQkPTRYAq— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) July 25, 2017
To be fair though, somehow I guess it's possible you've stuck to his .. I dunno..mythology, psychology lectures which are supposed to be better....but still, how are you unaware of his crazy side? The side that's made him rich and famous?
Peterson is a top earner on Patreon making over 55K *a month* (remember this number) last time I checked…which he’s planning to use to launch an online university, to influence more young minds into his way of thinking.
I just googled him right now and came across a reddit thread asking whether he was a prophet, because he’s turning Western Civilization back to Christianity….FFS.. this guy’s following is legitimately creepy.
This is the person who thinks college SJWs are bad, but is upset that Disney’s Frozen is *propaganda*…
Why...you ask?
Because it showed that two female characters did not need a man to be successful. (h/t @21logician)
Heaven forbid we indoctrinate our kids into evil-leftist-feminist-cultural-marxist-postmodernism.
Shameful Disney…don’t you know that all female characters should need a MAN….that’s how God intended it after all.
No wonder he’s spooked by the Trans Agenda of jailing him for mistakenly using the wrong pronoun some day. Poor guy.
This man is in charge of shaping young minds. And with his own online postmodernism-proof university he will be more influential than before, 'radicalizing' more people. Alarming.
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He also has some very disturbing ideas about sex. In his mind the left encourages ‘sexual predation’ by saying that sex is for pleasure and you can have it when you want…we should allow any form of sexual expression and not discriminate against any of them. But at the SAME TIME they want to jail men who make unwanted sexual advances.
Yes Peterson, its called consent. We can have free sexual expression and consent simultaneously .. this isn’t hard.
how the hell can you have free sexual expression and also not rape people pic.twitter.com/AWM0gu7rHR— Tom Bloke (@21logician) February 13, 2017
(Clip via @21logician)
And who's he discussing this with? None other than Stefan Molyneux - known extreme misogynist who blames women for all evil in the world, crazy conspiracist and racist.
This isn’t the first time I’ve heard Peterson rail against casual sex. If I close my eyes, It’s almost like I’m back in Saudi Arabia.
everything is so fucking melodramatic with this dude. if you don't do sex and procreation his way you're getting ENSLAVED @jordanbpeterson pic.twitter.com/lawOmTOxlm— Tom Bloke (@21logician) December 18, 2016
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Which brings me to the JBP lecture clip I watched, that all this build up is for:
What. The. Fuck. Did I just see/hear, and what decade am I in… one can forget they exist in 2017 and not 1950 while listening to Peterson. The fact he’s giving lectures like this to young people and they aren’t laughing him out of the room, means that there are some real regressive people out there who want to take us back in time, and hey guess what.. these ones aren’t on the left.
It's horrifying how popular he is.
So the video is posted, not by him but some other YT user (called biased asshole lol) and titled “Peterson on Western Women”.
I’m already gritting my teeth, I hit play… despite the warning from my ancestral spirits, and my crystal palace is crumbling before me, letting the howling winds in. I offer myself to god as a sacrifice...but alas, it's too late.
At the start of his talk, there’s the obligatory mention of declining birthrates of course, civilization is failing because women are working more procreating less. This is the stuff that endears him to the #TradLife Alt Right nutters.
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This young mom is the face of Mormonism's Hateful Alt Right. Full article here
Next in the lecture, Peterson questions why women would want positions of power at all. I’m paraphrasing here,
‘ladies... trust me you don’t want these powerful positions, men are crazy to have ‘em in the first place… but you know how men are lulz….crazy hardworking and competitive. You also don’t want powerful positions because extra money doesn’t help, and billion dollar corporations are reaaaally complicated to run ok? There are lawsuits, and you have to travel a lot. & shit Just…trust me ladies u don’t wanna get involved in this mess.”
7:29 (now this is an actual quote I’m no longer paraphrasing) he continues on to deter women from wanting positions of power
“If you’re half crazy and you have a lot of money, you’re going to be crazy a lot faster I can tell you, because it frees you from all sorts of constraints”
[some weak excuse abt how lottery winners are unhappy and if u are prone to a drug problem, then the money will just speed it up]
THIS IS ONE OF PATREON’S TOP EARNERS FFS. What business does he have telling women that money is no good and will just make you crazy. He makes 55K a fucking month.
This shit continues:
7:46 “being broke stops you from dying if you’re a cocaine addict” ok JBP ..lol...you’re realllllly trying hard to stop women from having careers here.
7:56 “If somebody dumped an infinite amount of money on you what makes you think you wouldn’t unravel completely?” - is he describing himself?
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9:30 “The older I get the more I understand marriage and family are of primary importance” - yeah ok.. I think we get it. #TradLife
9:32 - "The more I see women in particular, they hit 35-40 …and they’re not married…and they don’t have kids…and they are not happy. Cuz what the hell are you gonna do from the time you’re 40 till the time you’re 80?! You got no family… you got no relationships? What are you gonna do?! Go run your company?!!! Yeah well… if you’re 1 in a 1000 that will satisfy you.”
LMAO Peterson, you nutjob. If someone just says this shit in Urdu or Arabic, it will be no different than the mullahs who are afraid of women being empowered and independent. More polished sure, but he is a professor at one of Toronto’s best universities after all. This is an embarrassment. I mean, he should be far off from Mullah-rhetoric, not spouting essentially polished versions of the anti-woman turds that come out of their mouths. Having babies isn’t the only thing that gives women meaning, purpose or happiness in their lives, you absolute dinosaur. And there are other forms of relationships out there. My dad is way more progressive than you, and I’m certain he’s a lot older..heck so is my granddad.
The idea that running a company would be satisfying to a woman...as opposed to raising children is simply unfathomable to him, no wonder he spends his time freaking out about this (and pronouns) in 2017 because he’s unable to adjust to modernity. I got news, there are other things women do aside from having kids. They are complete human beings even without kids….imagine that!
I mean this is some serious insecurity around women succeeding. And lets not forget his bullet points for men:
Hmm.
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11:22 - Then we get into the “yeah women have it rough but you do live 8 years longer, so thats not trivial…TESTOSTERONE IS KILLING MEN.” (emphasis mine)
“Men do almost all the dangerous jobs and outside work. There’s lots of reasons that men get paid more than women that have *nothing to do with prejudice*” - ok by this point in the video I’m laugh-crying. This is so ridiculous….
“each sex has it’s own unfairness to deal with, but to think of that as a consequence of the social structure….come on really?!"
*lolz guys…there’s plenty of injustice to go around, men do all the hard work around here, why do you whiny women think its some sort of systemic thing, sexism is a leftist cultural marxist myth*
The video ends on note of JBP saying there’s no gratitude for how far we’ve come because we aren’t outside all day lifting rocks and shit. I kid you not.
Sexism isn’t real because bad things happen to everyone, and we are no longer lifting rocks. So quit yer whining cultural marxist feminists….do what you were actually put here to do and fulfill your life’s role, make some babies…otherwise what are you even doing with your life. Money sucks (for you), positions of power are way too hard (for you ladies). K thanks bye. Donate to my patreon.
Lecture summed up right there. (Ok he didn't actually plug his patreon there)
According to his logic he should be grateful about how privileged he is to earn so much and be a professor and quit *his* whining about cultural marxism and postmodernist SJWs...because you know, he's not out there lifting rocks and shit.
*The Truth* about Jordan Peterson is...he's full of shit and he's dangerously bridging the gap between the far right and the mainstream...and young people are falling for it.
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"The White Man's Deepak Chopra" - alternative title.
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome. By the way, mango is literally my fave fruit.
ReplyDeleteBy the way - I think Peterson is like totally right about "Sacrificing Sons" to God (he mentioned that in his Quora answer).
We on the left are just culturally insensitive to his needs as a man.
Well, I, like you, am tired of the whole Peterson drama and have paid little attention. However, I think you're misrepresenting the original issue of pronouns. NYC (where I live) really does have up to $250,000 fines for refusing to use gender-neutral pronouns. U of T's letter to Peterson really did refer to his refusal to use these pronouns as "discriminatory", and discrimination is of course the target of C-16. We can debate whether Peterson's fears had any basis in reality, or whether pronouns are worth making a big free-speech fuss about at all. The larger point is that his fears on this point were not as mockable and baseless as you suggest.
ReplyDeleteI happen to think most of the rest I've heard from him is nonsense, but we should focus on our opponent's strongest points, not his weakest. Otherwise we trap ourselves in sarcasm and echo chambers.
I didn't speak much about the issue of pronouns in this post.. so im not sure how i misrepresented it. I linked to a piece where he was shown clearly to have been misrepresenting and exaggerating the effects of bill c-16, and i can link to many more posts, podcasts, etc. As u said we can debate the degree to which this is stupid, endlessly...however I disagree that his points were not mockable. I also think its strange to suggest we ignore the other dangerous nonsense he spouts or the fact that he mingles with Nazis. This has nothing to do with 'being in an echo chamber', It has to do with exposing how dangerous his rhetoric is..and what effects he might have on young minds.
DeleteI also agree he should not be forced to use words he doesn't want to. But his response is not proportional ... even SJW-esque if you will, that is what I find most mockable.
DeleteI disagree that he should not be forced to use words he doesn't want to. In his private life nobody is forcing Peterson to use words he doesn't want to. Bill c-16 doesn't apply to anyone's private affairs. At his job as a professor, he should absolutely be forced to use workplace appropriate language. Every job in the world has workplace appropriate language and that includes using certain appropriate words when you personally would prefer to use others. It's not just a problem of proportionality, his whole argument is nonsense.
DeleteI disagree that he should not be forced to use words he doesn't want to. In his private life he is free to choose whatever words he likes. Bill c-16 doesn't apply to private affairs. At his job as a professor he should have to use workplace appropriate language. Every job in the world has workplace appropriate language and that almost always includes using some appropriate word when you would personally prefer to use a different word.
DeleteNice article, I totally agree - I don’t understand how many people who claim to be rational can’t see how nonsensical most of what he says is
Delete"the power of premarital sex, immorality, independent career women and loss of faith"
ReplyDeleteLike so many conservative dystopias, this actually sounds very nice.
Great post! There's some shocking stuff in there.
ReplyDeleteThe reason he was one of the *most requested* guests on Sam Harris' podcast was to watch SH destroy JBP's positions, I thought, at least in relation to supernatural beliefs. It was for me, anyway.
Thanks Louella! i wish you were right, but i don't think thats the reason he was most requested.. In fact when he was shown to be insane the first episode they requested he get another chance. And there are tons of atheists advocating for him online all the time, many atheist shows and youtube channels are filled with praise for him. But I'm glad to hear that was the reason you requested him! I too was keen on seeing that.
DeleteI think he was"most requested" because his fans are fucking crazy. Normal people have lives to live; we don't tell Sam what to do. We trust him.
DeleteGreat piece, Eiynah, and thanks for wading through all that stuff. Spot on, I think, about him having the same vacuity and authoritarian personality as Deepak and the mullahs.
ReplyDeleteI listened to his first conversation with Sam Harris, with Sam trying to get him to answer a straight forward and not letting him off the hook, as he kept interrupting himself to leap from topic to topic. I tried to listen to the second one where Sam just let him speak, but I won't sign up to redefining every word I hear according to his alternative reality where he is king and knows it all.
Thanks for posting this! When Peterson's main agenda seemed to simply be "people shouldn't be forced to say words they don't like", I supported him -- or at least I thought that was a thought worth more deeply considering. But as more was revealed to me, summarized well in this post, I could see there was uglier stuff going on. Thanks again, this was funny.
ReplyDeleteNot sure where you got the idea that atheists love him. Most people in /r/atheism, if they're even aware of him, think he's a joke. He's not popular among Sam Harris fans either. The thing about him being the most requested guest on Sam's podcast had more to do with his (very ignorant) stance on Bill C16 and the "attacks" on his free speech. The overwhelming sentiment on the /r/samharris subreddit after the show was that Peterson is a crank. The demand for the second podcast came as a result of brigading from JP fans.
ReplyDeleteThe few mentions from people claiming to be atheists but admiring Peterson have been in Peterson's echo chamber on /r/JordanPeterson. And that subreddit is a gathering place for the intellectually challenged.
There are plenty more atheist shows and youtube channels big fans of him because they do align on the anti sjw stuff, atheists always praising him online.. but hey...you tell yourself whatever makes you happy
DeleteAnd there plenty more atheists than those who comment on youtube channels. Even if you were able to (hypothetically) prove that all JP fans were atheists, it doesn't follow that an atheist is going to necessarily be a JP fan. That's Logic 101. But hey, you tell yourself whatever makes you happy. (+ Maybe to your list of trigger warnings you should add "lack of critical thinking skills").
Delete" it doesn't follow that an atheist is going to necessarily be a JP fan. That's Logic 101" - yes genius.... I'm an atheist myself...where did i say atheism causes someone to be a JBP fan? I'm merely pointing to how disturbing it is that so many atheists ARE fans.
DeleteThank jebus I'm not the only person who thinks this jargon spouting fuckwit is full of shit. Thank you for putting the effort in to write this rather damming piece.
ReplyDeleteI think you're missing the most crucial point.
ReplyDeleteAlthough many of his views are misconceptions (for instance, his view that, because you can't deduce moral propositions from factual propositions, they can't be objective), he is trying to say what he thinks is true.
But, like all of us, he's fallible, so he's going to get it wrong lots of the time.
That's radically distinct from what 'postmodernists' are doing. Their interest, often, is not in what's true, but in what serves a predetermined political program. That is the attitude that's so dangerous.
Being in a state of error with one's knowledge is just human. Exposing his views to rational criticism is an unambiguously good thing to do. But assuming that because you think he's often wrong there's a direct comparison between him and people who make a mockery of the very idea of truth, is wrong.
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DeleteTo these people, questioning someone else's beliefs is something like a violent act.
DeleteAfter all, if there's no such thing as truth, then you have no right to tell someone else they're wrong. That's just you impinging your subjective beliefs upon theirs. There's literally no way to try and convince someone of something without you being an asshole. "You're on the wrong track! The bridge is out!" "How dare you tell me my track is wrong! These tracks are strong and good! See how level and shiny they are? You just want to make everyone use your rusty old tracks that you've been traveling for years." Kinda bad metaphor but you get my point.
It's a shame the blog author fell in with PoMos. She seems to have some interesting perspective, but she let herself be coopted by people who want to destroy the very society that gave her the freedom to become an apostate.
Neither one of you have even a 101-level of understanding of postmodernism and Jordan Peterson's is even worse than yours.
DeleteAlmost anytime I've seen Peterson he's spouting a bunch of nonsense even when he's talking about psychology. I saw a clip of him talking to Dave Rubin about how porn is so harmful and addictive to people who watch it. In reality, actual unbiased psychologists will tell you that there's no evidence of porn being unhealthy or addictive in the literature. Peterson is just using his new found fame to preach fundamentalist christian propaganda.
ReplyDeleteyou can't be serious? porn is incredibly addictive and destroying a lot of relationships/marriages etc I know this as it has directly affected my relation ship with my girlfriend!
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ReplyDeleteThanks for this. I was not aware of the extent of Peterson's traditionalist prescriptions for women. His positions really are antithetical to the liberal (in the broadest definition of the term; not the Trudeau political party) creeds of liberty and equality in an open society.
ReplyDeleteThus we need to work to celebrate and empower a plurality of identities and help peoples from different walks of life shed the stigma of expectation and conformity. This is truly the goal of both a liberal and progressive society. Unfortunately, as of late, conservative commentators like Peterson, PJW, Gad Saad and Ben Shapiro have managed to bastardize the conversation and cement the outcome of identities (for example, PJW/Shapiro calling transgender mentally ill and Peterson encouraging women into a life of docility and servitude).
The antidote to this is to ensure that we look to maximize the equality of opportunity for all peoples in a society (trans, Muslims, etc.....) and squash the notion that who one is is not representative of what one can be.
Re bus signs:
ReplyDeleteI had followed the atheist bus sign discussion quite closely (as part of the group working to get them run in Ottawa), but I had forgotten that Peterson was in there. Thanks for bringing that out - it certainly helps to put everything in perspective.
As for the "pronoun" question: I find it very disconcerting that a university prof finds it such an onerous task to refer to people appropriately. First, it hearkens back to the times when teachers at all levels felt free to change students' names if they seemed to be too "weird" or hard to pronounce. Beyond that, I have to ask: Just how often is a university prof in the position of having to refer to an individual student in the third person?
So you have disagreements. Shocking. Have him on your podcast.
ReplyDeleteI love how being friendly with Nazis who advocate violence and being an outright sexist is framed as some minor casual 'disagreement'
DeleteThis is a truly idiotic claim.
DeleteGood morning,
ReplyDeleteI found a very interesting article on JP by dreamflesh, which covers similar ground, saying:
"is the catastrophic mutation of the climate, the mortification of the oceans, the Sixth Great Extinction, not a better hill to die on than the grave threat of being forced to call people by their chosen pronouns?"
https://dreamflesh.com/post/2017/black-truths-jordan-peterson/
Lol that sounds like something out of the bible "the Sixth Great Extinction" it's even capitalized. Hilarious!
DeleteThere is a reason why envy is one of the seven deadly sins. Peterson, like another person you envy, Dave Rubin, has a huge platform for a reason.
ReplyDeleteI 75/25% agree/disagree. First, I agree that Peterson's political & gender views are anti-liberal, for the obvious reason that TradCon gender roles are anti-liberal. You can't have liberalism and backpedal on the freedom to reject one's traditional gender roles.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, I do think a lot of his more psych-focused stuff is valuable, whether it's his work on personality (being a public voice advocating the Big 5 model rather than discredited models like Myers-briggs) or more importantly imo, his lectures on the link between politics & personality, specifically his warning about the societal danger of high-agreeableness, which he links (rightly, imo) to the SJ Left.
I fully back Harris's stance on truth over Peterson's, which is incoherent imo. At the same time, I think he's correct about both political sides having moral virtues worth following. Many on the left *are* sorely lacking in resilience and even more so in self-discipline, because these traits are unfortunately associated with conservatism, just as many on the right are sorely lacking in creativity & more so in flexibility to change, as these are traits unfortunately associated with progressivism.
Hence, the less mature people on the left tend to request the society change to accommodate their whim rather than change themselves to accommodate society's needs (i.e. people who took useless majors knowing the problems with our educational system in our particular transition era to online learning), whereas the less mature right tends to treat any change as apocalyptic because they aren't sure of the outcome, when that is a part of progress that can't be avoided and requires the patience to "wait & see" (which they lack).
Also, just to clarify what seems to be the main thrust of his stuff on meaning, he's arguing that most people today haven't adapted well to what's happened in philosophy since Nietzsche. Instead of building personal strength, which is what Nietzsche actually proposed to replace the built-in life meaning religion provided, people lapsed into aimlessness and the fragility that focusing *only* on hedonism in life brings. I happen to agree with that despite considering myself hedonistic philosophically. In the course of the 20th century, people needed more messages like "love yourself" & "live for the moment". But now, we've gone too far in that direction and should reintroduce the messages of "expect more from yourself" & "everything worth doing is going to suck at first". In Peterson's view, this is due to a misconception of what nihilism really is, and that faux-nihilism now shapes society today (and grew into PoMo, which he thinks is the devil and Marxism and yadda yadda).
So yes, I do think that Peterson's politics are terrible. But I think that by listening to him one can (ironically) psychoanalyze what the anti-sjw's are reacting to subconsciously and emboldening the far right with their bad solutions to what are actually valid cultural/philosophical problems (by which I mean returning to the past never works). What we need is a new set of cultural values that poaches the meritorious traits of both the left & right, since each is currently over-emphasizing certain values to the detriment of others, resulting in (surprise surprise) a polarized society of people choosing one value set or another based on their preference and hence ignoring the ugly parts of "their side", since the other side doesn't even pay lip service to their values a lot of the time.
This is a topic I like to discuss, even if it's a hard to talk about concretely, so sorry if it's a bit difficult to follow. Lmk if you ever want to chat about this, I'm @lo_commotion on Twitter.
Great blog post, thank you.
ReplyDeleteTop work Eiynah, you are a superb example of what happens when spectacularly stupid individuals become toxic agitators.
ReplyDeleteI'm just now learning about Jordan Peterson and I'm in shock at his positive reception. I've watched a few of his "lectures" and noticed he has a somewhat cryptic way of talking. I actively tried to seek out criticism for this guy and had a tough time. Then I found this post and it was a breath of fresh air. How are people so in love with this clown. More people need to challenge him and expose him for the charlatan he is, because his following is worrying. I'm glad I'm not the only sane person out there.
ReplyDeleteGaslighting.. that is what it is. He speaks to cause confusion. Thank god I'm not alone thinking this guy isn't on the up and up.
DeleteI remember when I was Mormon and would hear criticisms of my faith, I would go over in my mind how I could defend that point in the most intellectually sounding way possible. Granted, I was never as good as Peterson at this (obviously), but I think that's basically what's going on here. He's starting with the conclusion that the Bible and the shit therein is 100% true and morally preferable and building around that some big words and clever examples to make people think he's intellectually honest. At its core, still bullshit.
ReplyDeleteInteresting point Mike and spot on. I only heard about this guy very recently through a friend who is actually following this nutter. my friend has convinced his girlfriend to agree as well and they were arguing like he does. They were saying that he is right because he is really highly educated so end of arguement, know your place. Ha ha he's a highly educated narcissist, potentially dangerous but insignificant and irrelevant to the extreme. nasty man.
DeleteI believe this man to be a sociopath. He has a rather inflated opinion of himself and deliberately talks nonsense to try and make anyone who asks him straight out questions, to look foolish...... in some people's minds but not mine. I can see straight through the pri.. my friends were trying to tell me that I should agree with him because he is highly educated! At the same time they don't agree with Germaine Greer and I'm thinking she could be a bit more educated than this guy. I mean, he is associating his own thoughts with facts and arguing the point with people! He is gas lighting and verbose, full of himself, announcing how he is a psychologist you know as if that means he knows everything. He really put shit on modern sociology which is pretty petty and a tired target of conservatives.Feminism too yeah give that another bash mate! That's sure to get those precious freaks. Yawn yawn yawn, heard it all before........tired old bloke railing against his ever increasing irrelevance because he refuses to grow and learn and change. WHAT ABOUT ME, IT ISNT FAIR WHA WHA WHA
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